REFUTING LIBELOUS FALSEHOODS & OTHER NONSENSE FROM JAMES MARINO

Barbara Hartwell
Legal Defense & Research Trust
P.O. Box 7487
Ocean Park, Maine 04063
Website: Barbara Hartwell vs. CIA
http://barbarahartwell.blogspot.com/

REFUTING LIBELOUS FALSEHOODS & OTHER NONSENSE FROM JAMES MARINO

The following commentary comes from James Marino, posted on his website, 9-11 the Mother of All Black Operations.

My comments in repsonse to Mr. Marino are in brackets, preceded by my initials, BH.

Thanks to my friend Geral Sosbee for coming to my defense and telling it like it is, as he always does. I should make it clear that Geral's brief statement was written in response to the ORIGINAL, much shorter post by Mr. Marino, before he added all of what follows here. Mr.Marino failed to state that, so I have.

And although I really hated having to take the time to refute the foolishness being spouted by Mr. Marino, it was not something I was about to let slide.

Please see my original report (August 10, 2007) titled: Correcting Misinformation & Retracting Recommendation, in which I exposed the misinformation being disseminated on James Marino's website, about Barbara Hartwell and others.

Barbara Hartwell

August 12, 2007

Unfortunate Turn Of Events & Great Disappointment

The following is a recent post from Geral Sosbee on his Website regarding my post below:

"The following statements by James Marino regarding my friend Barbara Hartwell are false, mean-spirited, and ill considered; the remarks should be retracted (along with an apology) now:"

"Hence it is all the more disturbing that Barbara Hartwell would attempt to undermine my work. And this is indicative of what I have been reading about her on myriad other Websites."

My response: Geral there will be no apology issued since it was clear that Barbara's comments had every intention of discrediting my own personal experiences. And moreover, that she left out much pertinent information which would serve to prove that I am telling the truth.

[BH: Mr. Marino's "personal experiences" are not, and never were, the issue and I would have no reason to wish to discredit him. But I will add that by this time, he's done a fine job of discrediting himself.

The primary issue I addressed in my report was that Mr. Marino has, over a considerable period of time, been promoting FALSE information about Barbara Hartwell and others. This misinformation is damaging and I found it necessary to correct it and refute it with the facts.

As for "leaving out pertinent information"? That is subjective and irrelevant, a non-issue. I am not required to defend or promote Mr. Marino's claims of truthfulness. Nor am I required to go through all his writings with a fine-tooth comb in search of possible clues to his truthfulness, or lack thereof.

As for proving the "truth" of his allegations, by my standards, proof can only be established by irrefutable hard evidence. I have seen no such evidence, but again, that was never the issue I addressed.

Anyone who establishes a website and publishes material, including his or her personal testimony, can reasonably expect the readers to assess their writings, use their own discernment (intellectually/morally/spiritually) and to draw their own conclusions.

As a reader of any website (including Mr. Marino's) I am entitled to form any opinions I may hold as to the veracity of the information in question. It's just that simple, yet Mr. Marino is engaging in convoluted "logic" which goes nowhere, and establishes the truth of nothing.]

There are numerous Websites in which Barbara has attacked the characters of many people; I know this because I have seen these sites. And on certain occasions she may well have been right to do so. However, when she makes comments such as the one where she states that I support Ken Adachi, this is a deliberate attempt at misrepresenting the facts. How does Barbara know whether or not I support Ken? For the record, I have no opinion on him either way. However, I do find many of the articles listed on his Website to be of interest me -- especially those of a paranormal nature. Yet, once again, that does not mean that I support him.

[BH: Like so many others of his ilk, Mr. Marino seems eager to accuse me of "attacking" people. But there is a vast difference between attacking a person's character and EXPOSING the crimes that person has perpetrated; the scams and hoaxes he or she is running, or the moral/spiritual bankruptcy of that person's character.

The people Mr. Marino makes reference to (he only names one, Ken Adachi, and I'll get to him in a moment) are CRIMINALS. They are all malicious liars. Some are criminal stalkers, some have made numerous threats against Barbara Hartwell, including DEATH THREATS. All of them fall into at least one of the following (broad) categories:

1) Corrupt/criminal Government agents/operatives, covert or overt

2) Stooges of criminal government agents/operatives

3) Minions/shills of criminal government agents/operatives

4) Useful idiots who promote government disinformation and/or black propaganda, knowingly or unknowingly, often simply parroting the libelous/slanderous falsehoods they have read/heard

5) Criminals who have "made a deal" --avoiding jail time/get out of jail-- in exchange for becoming snitches/stool pigeons and/or participating in harassment of legitimate whistleblowers/patriots/Liberty activists.

Exposing crimes and corruption connected to government is what a legitimate whistleblower DOES. Mr. Marino just doesn't seem to get that. And by speaking about people and issues he clearly knows little or nothing about, he is awarding potential credibility to these criminals who claim I am "attacking" them, and who Mr. Marino now also claims I am attacking.

Mr. Marino is certainly free to believe what he will, and to express his opinions, however misguided they may be. But I will not just stand by and allow him to libel me in this manner. I will, as always, set the record straight with the truth and the facts, in defense of my good name and in defense of the principles I hold.

Re Ken Adachi: I never, at any time, claimed that Mr. Marino "supports" Ken Adachi. I merely stated that he PROMOTED Adachi's website, Educate-Yourself, by providing links to the website for various articles.[See my original report for confirmation.]

Ken Adachi runs a government/disinfo/New Age website. He is a government stooge and minion of COINTELPRO Ted Gunderson. He endorses and promotes corrupt government agents/operatives, criminals, porno-mongers, stalkers and malicious liars. Adachi has gone so far as to place a permanent link on his website, dedicating an entire section to libeling Barbara Hartwell. It is titled: Barbara Hartwell, CEO of Liars, Inc.

Adachi is also soliciting further criminal harassment/stalking of Barbara Hartwell, thus violating my privacy, compromising my security and endangering my safety, by publishing my UNLISTED street address on his website in an article written by criminal stalker/blackmailer/porno-monger/malicious liar Todd Brendan Fahey. Soliciting criminal harassment is a crime in and of itself.

And so, if Mr. Marino has "no opinion either way" about a criminal government stooge and malicious liar like Ken Adachi, I would have to wonder if he has any moral compass at all. It would seem not.

But the bottom line is this: I do NOT want my name connected to ANY website (including Mr. Marino's) which PROMOTES evildoers and crimnals like Ken Adachi. Case closed.]

Now while I cannot legally force you to remove the links to my site that you have listed (anymore than you can force me to keep your links on my Website) I am asking that you do so. I don't enjoy having to post anything defamatory on either you or Barbara and I would prefer to be able to just delete this post altogether -- which I will gladly do if you agree to do the same on your Websites.

[BH: Mr. Marino does not need to try to "force" anyone to remove links to his site. Geral Sosbee informed me days ago that he intended to do just that, before any such request was made by Mr. Marino.

No doubt, Mr. Marino is now certainly posting defamatory material about Barbara Hartwell. He even admits it. However, I have no intention of removing my report on Mr. Marino. There was no defamation involved, none whatsoever. The report is truthful, based on facts and was written in defense of my own good name, as well as to correct errors on Mr. Marino's part, in service to the truth, and as a matter of principle.

I don't want Mr. Marino to delete anything. I couldn't give a tinker's damn what he does. He has made his position clear, though his arguments don't begin to hold water.

I am addressing ISSUES. Mr. Marino, on the other hand, is simply trying to justify his wrongful behavior by "attacking the messenger".]

Barbara claimed that I had misrepresented her in many posts in which she has been mentioned and her name has been removed from the offending posts -- and in some instances the entire post. I have also removed the posts from the sidebar which she complained about. I have done what she asked.

[BH: Thank you, Mr. Marino. However, you have now replaced mere inaccuracies, misstatements of fact, erroneous suppositions and the like with libel, which you will be held accountable for.]

If she had just sent me an E-mail (or asked you to -- you do have my Email address) this could have been done without the need to post here on the Websites themselves. However she chose to do otherwise.

[BH: I do not need or use intermediaries. Geral Sosbee is my friend and professional colleague, not a conduit to deliver messages from me. False information was being disseminated on Mr. Marino's website, also placing Barbara Hartwell in a "false light". This is a public matter, not a private one.

When I become aware that misinformation (intended as such or not) or purposeful disinformation is being disseminated publicly, using my name, it is my policy to refute falsehoods with facts, also publicly.]

I have no desire to get into a war of words with either of you. You can avoid this by simply removing all reference to my Website from your own and to request that Barbara remove her recent post. This way there will be no need for us to continue in this vein. No one wins a war of words. They only end up saying cruel things which they later regret. And given our daily battles with the FEDS and their psyops none of us has the energy to attack one another -- something that I believe would be extremely foolhardy on all our parts.

[BH: Marino contradicts himself here re the "war of words." By this very response to my report, he draws first blood by his provocations.

But sorry, I see no point in engaging in a "war of words" with an unarmed man. Maybe it might behoove Mr. Marino to realize that and give it up. And defending my eminently justified and reasonable position and refuting falsehoods is not foolhardy, but necessary.

Mr. Marino is attempting to take the moral high ground to justify the unjustifiable. It's a common tactic used by those who are so ego-centered, they can't see the forest for the trees; and can't see the difference between facts and their own subjective (and uninformed) personal opinions.

His arguments are based on false premises. Let him do as he will, say what he will. By continuing in this vein, he will only continue to discredit himself by showing himself to be a person who would rather attack the messengers of truth, rather than acknowledge his own ignorance and take steps to remedy it.]

So please do the right thing and remove all references to my Website and self from your own and please ask Barbara to do the same. And I will happily remove this entire Post. I am not being unreasonable here, nor am I looking to defame either one of you. I have done as Barbara requested and I am now asking you both do as I request. And I will happily remove this entire post; one which I was not at all pleased to have written.

Jim

[BH: Do the right thing? Mr. Marino has a lot to learn about the principles of truth and justice.

The "right thing" would have been very easy to do, as well as very simple. Mr. Marino could have simply acknowledged his mistakes, including factual errors --as I pointed out in my report. He could have simply removed the past endorsement I had written for his website (now retracted by me) as per my request, without resorting to ad hominem attacks against Barbara Hartwell in a futile attempt to defend his untenable position.

He could have apologized for not respecting the personal boundaries of others (including mine) by presuming to speak about them/for them, thus publicly promoting damaging misinformation, based on nothing more than his erroneous assumptions; and redolent of his own ignorance of the issues. He could have done all these things. Instead, he chose to provoke an argument he cannot possibly win.]

JAMES MARINO COMMENTS ON HARTWELL & SOSBEE

To Whom It May Concern:

In the past I have given a great deal of moral support to both Geral W. Sosbee and Barbara Hartwell -- two former US Intelligence operatives who became whistle blowers when they saw crimes being committed within their respective agencies.

I have also given Geral Sosbee $750 to maintain his Website; Geral himself has acknowledged that I am the only person to have ever given him any monies in efforts to help him promulgate his information.

[BH: Speaking strictly for myself, I have never needed nor requested Mr. Marino's "moral support." If he chose to support my work, of his own volition, because he found it to be valuable (for whatever reasons) that would have been to his credit, had he not eventually overstepped his bounds by attempting to enhance his own credibility by exploiting my name and making unreasonable and inaccurate comparisons between his alleged case and my own.

And I have to wonder why Mr. Marino feels the need to tout his contribution to Geral Sosbee, especially by naming an exact sum. I think that would be best left as private business between donor and recipient. I do not speak for Geral, but I do know that Geral has made it clear, publicly, that he appreciated Mr. Marino's generous donation and thanked him for it.

Donating money to support what one believes to be a worthy person or cause is admirable --as long as the donor does not expect that he is "buying" influence, loyalty, or other "quid pro quo" benefits by so doing. I'm not accusing Mr. Marino of this, but I do find it remarkable that he seems to be using this donation as a promotional device for himself.]

Moreover, I have never once been anything but kind and supportive of both of these people in efforts to understand their predicaments while they (by their own accounts) have been treated viciously by so many others.

[BH: As stated in my report, Mr. Marino does not know me. He has never been a friend or colleague, but is a complete stranger to me. I have never had any form of contact with him. And based on his many misstatements of fact and the false conclusions he has repeatedly drawn, he clearly does not understand my case. Not understanding, he should have refrained from commenting. Even if his intent was to "support" me, that is not relevant to the MAIN ISSUE. Which is: He has no right to publicize his assumptions about Barbara Hartwell, and promote this misinformation AS IF it were based on facts, which he has repeatedly done.]

Hence it is all the more disturbing that Barbara Hartwell would attempt to undermine my work with a recent post in which she appears to have slanted information for her own use and left out much exculpatory information in regard to my harassment and those of others whom I have written about. And this is indicative of the criticisms that I have been reading about her on myriad other Websites which I have until now chosen to ignore. I am not going to waste any further time getting into a war of words with this person. At her request I have removed as many references to her as I have found and will continue to remove any others that I find. I respectfully ask that she do the same in regard to her latest post and I will be also delete this post as well. A war of words here isn't going to accomplish anything but to serve as a waste of time and effort.

[BH: Mr. Marino has made yet another false assumption. Will these assumptions never end? Correcting factual errors about myself and others; and stating my disagreement with Mr. Marino's politics, beliefs and opinions; stating that I do NOT want my name attached to his website, does NOT constitute an attempt to "undermine" his "work". But since his "work" is something I cannot in good conscience endorse, I have every right to make that clear. I HAVE made that clear. What, in this simple position, does he NOT understand?]

Ms. Hartwell says that I never mention "WHY" the FEDS have attacked me which is yet another lie. I have clearly stated on myriad occasions that I believe it was an FBI agent by the name of Raymond Migliore who has done so, waging his own personal vendetta against me while violating my Civil Rights under the color of law statutes in this country. His reason for doing so is a perceived wrong doing in regard to one of his family members which is clearly erroneous and could easily be cleared up if this person and I were both willing to take a polygraph in which to do so. I have in fact already volunteered to do so, yet have never been taken up on my challenge because the FEDS know that I am telling the truth. And their illegal attacks on my person have only served to make each agent who has conspired to do so complicit in a criminal conspiracy.

[BH: Again, I have not gone through Mr. Marino's website and writings with a fine-tooth comb. I don't have the time, nor ever had the interest. I have simply noted that Mr. Marino rants on and on about "the FEDS", mostly with emotional name-calling, while in most of the articles containing his personal testimony, he does not furnish any background information which would clarify the reasons for the persecution he claims he has been targeted for.

Are the readers just supposed to take all this on faith? Only a fool would give unquestioned credibility to everything they read on the Internet, or elsewhere. Speaking for myself, I analyze everything I read, as well as using my intuition and spiritual/intellectual/moral discernment.

Mr. Marino is not a government whistleblower, nor is he even a high-profile target of any government agency. I doubt that most people, inside or outside government intelligence/law enforcement have ever heard of him. He claims to be an "alternate journalist"; a "mind control target"; a "target of a "failed COINTELPRO sting operation."

He also has repeatedly stated that he has been targeted for "27 years", and in some cases, "30 years", yet I have personally never seen any cogent explanation from Mr. Marino as to WHY this would be so. I won't belabor this point, because it really does not concern me. What DOES concern me is only that Mr. Marino is now libeling me and making patently false accusations against me.]

The FEDS are not allowed to go on open ended "surveillance" fishing expeditions for years on end, yet that is exactly what they did in my case; a situation which may well turn out to be the worst violation of Civil Rights in US History!

[BH: He's entitled to his opinion re his own case. I don't share it, and, as a trained intelligence analyst, I believe Mr. Marino is overinflating his own importance where the "feds" are concerned.]

In regard to my post on activist Rick Stanley, I wrote about far more than just his defense of the Second Amendment and anyone who has read the posts that I have written about Rick would clearly see that.

I also experience great sorrow for Rick, his wife and the Stanley Family for what was in my opinion an extremely unjust conviction. And I also disagree with Ms. Hartwell's statement that Rick was not setup for a COINTELPRO STING. It was clear from the information that I have seen that Rick was definitely setup for such a sting operation because of his association with a militia and his attempts to enforce the US Constitution. After all he does refer to himself as a Constitutional Activist.

[BH: I merely corrected Mr. Marino's false (and utterly foolish and trivializing) statement that Rick Stanley was arrested merely for wanting the government to "ease up on gun laws". As I explained in m report, there are no constitutional "gun laws."

I can assure everyone reading this that Mr. Marino does not know enough about Rick Stanley's case to make such a statement about an alleged "COINTELPRO sting operation", especially AS IF IT WERE FACT.

I have known Rick Stanley as a friend and ally for two and a half years, but my knowledge of his case predated that.

I have spoken to him many times about his case; I have personally researched the case, and have gained a thorough understanding of the facts of the case. I have read the legal summaries (some of which are not published) sent to me directly by Rick. Rick has published many of my reports in his newsletter, and I have been a guest on his radio program, Standing Up For America.

In addition to this, some of the same corrupt FBI agents (FBI Division 5) from Colorado had been involved in persecutions of myself and others, going back to the late 90s. The Joint Terrorism Task Force also included operatives from local law enforcement in Denver, Colorado. Anyone who wants information on that may find it in my Denver Connection series, as well as other reports on my website.

I know Rick --and his case-- well enough to state that he was NOT the target of a so-called "COINTELPRO sting operation", as Mr Marino continues to allege.

And I know Rick Stanley to be a hard-core freedom fighter, a Defender of Liberty, par excellence. He KNOWS the Constitution and what the Declaration of Indepence and Bill of Rights actually stand for.

The same cannot be said for James Marino, as evidenced by his many comments on issues he clearly does not understand. To minimize Rick's situation, as Mr. Marino has done ("easing up on gun laws") does nothing to "support" true patriots and Defenders of Liberty. On the contrary, such statements insult and undermine not only the defenders of Liberty, but the very ideals and principles on which this country was founded.

Again, Mr. Marino is entitled to his opinions, but it has become obvious to me that he is operating not only out of ignorance, but also from his own bias, in which he seems to be projecting his personal beliefs and feelings onto others.]

As for God Given Rights, not every person on this planet believes in Ms. Hartwell's God. There are many who do not. So in making such an assumption Ms. Hartwell automatically assumes that every person does so. Many people believe in a greater force than ourselves which cannot be clearly defined as a God. It is human religious indoctrination that has allowed for the acceptance of such a God. And it is also clear that anyone who adopts this indoctrination will vociferously defend it, even though there is no clear empiracle evidence of the existence of such a God.

Many people have begun to see religions (including the better known ones) as nothing more than successful cults having reached nearly sacrosanct status. Yet if one does their own research into these religions they oftentimes find many unpleasant facts about them which their parishoners know nothing about.

[BH: Again, Mr. Marino's profound ignorance surfaces. He makes statements which are completely irrelevant to the issue at hand.

The term "God-given rights" (in the common law, on which the Constitution is based) refers to "natural rights", "unalienable" rights, "inherent" rights on which the constitutional guarantee and protection of those rights depends. Rights are NOT bestowed by government, nor by the Constitution of that government. They come directly from "God", the Almighty, the Creator.

It is all that simple.

I have "assumed" nothing, certainly not about what "God" anyone believes in. "God" is simply a term, and does not explicitly nor implicitly have a meaning connected to any form of organized religion. It is a generally agreed upon term, which in this case relates to the rights of the Individual under the Rule of Law.

Religion has nothing to do with this issue. Nor does what "many people believe" make a damn bit of difference. The point is, "God-given" rights are the Natural, Unalienable, Inherent Individual Sovereignty which is the birthright of every person. EVERY PERSON, regardless of religion or lack thereof; regardless of belief in "God", or lack thereof.

The Rule of Law, under the Constitution, does not change according to the "beliefs" held by anyone. It simply "guarantees and protects" the unalienable rights of the individual.

These unalienable "God-given" rights are NOT the same as "civil rights", as Mr. Marino seems to mistakenly believe.

Mr. Marino RELLY needs to do some research on this, as he has shown himself to be utterly clueless regarding the issues on which he is presenting his arguments.

And anyone who would "appeal" to the United Nations, or promote this organization, as Mr. Marino has done, is living in La La Land.]

Ms. Hartwell also makes many other libelous statements in regard to my support of others including Ken Adachi. However, just because I have a link to Adachi's Website does not mean that I fully support him. His site contains many articles which I do support. As for Bob Shultz of the We The People Foundation, I was not aware that he had actually taken part in a hunger strike and will correct this information on the appropriate article.

[BH: Nowhere have I ever "libeled" James Marino. I doubt he even knows what constitutes libel, but I won't waste my time enlightening him.

If Mr. Marino was "not aware" of the facts in the case of Bob Schultz, what was he doing writing reports about it and thus making misstatements of fact? What kind of "research" is Mr. Marino conducting? Who/what are his sources? Perhaps he's been "educating himself "at Ken Adachi's site. Sure seems that way.]

As for my posts in regard to Aaron Russo, Aaron was an insider for quite sometime and he himself even referred to himself as a "bad kid" when he was younger. And he has shown so many of us, that people can and do change for the better if given the chance. His documentary on the Federal Reserve and IRS frauds is superb, and clearly demonstrates Aaron's ability to do good work and to help humankind.

[BH: I repeat: Aaron Russo was NEVER any kind of "insider" connected to the government, organized crime, Illuminati, nor other such cabals. Admitting to being a "bad kid" does not make someone an "insider". Nor has Aaron Russo ever stated in any public form of media, that he was an "insider".

Mr. Marino really needs to educate himself on many issues and on many levels. As it is, he is just shooting his mouth off, parroting what he's read or heard, and then jumping to erroneous conclusions, which he unfortunately publishes. He then goes so far as to DEFEND his false assumptions, even after they have been corrected with the facts.]

As for my compassion for the Virginia Tech shooter, that was in no way meant to defend the horrific thing that he did. I did in fact state (which Ms. Hartwell also chose to leave out) that it was the use of psychological warfare on this young man which drove him into such a rage that he became the monster that he did. And I also compared the rage that this young man experienced to what TI's are put through each day, by those monsters within the US Federal Government and our own communities who use "psychological warfare" to drive us to such states.

The people who perpetrate these psychological operations know exactly what they are doing and expect to see a violent reaction as a result of them. Then they will accuse those whom they have attacked of being violent, when it was the perpetrators of these "operations" who were responsible for creating the violence in those whom they were targeting all along.
This situation has become a serious problem in the modern day in which government sanctioned groups of organized stalkers (which in many cases now include entire communities) take part in these vicious attacks against those whom the government cannot arrest legally.

This is a barbarian type of behavior by people who claim to be civilized, yet by their nefarious actions clearly no longer are.

[BH: I've already addressed this issue in my report. Nobody in their right mind would ever "condone" such an act, so why Mr. Marino feels the need to drag all this in is anybody's guess. The fact of the matter is, Mr. Marino DID express "sympathy" for the monster, and became an apologist for him in so doing.

And my position remains the same: This perp could have been taken out, had the people been ARMED. Marino can have all the "compassion" he wants, it won't change the fact that when people are prevented BY THE GOVERNMENT from defending themselves against violent criminals, the purported "reasons why" someone became a monster are secondary. The RIGHT TO LIFE, LIBERTY AND THE PURUIT OF HAPPINESS includes the RIGHT TO SELF DEFENSE.]

As for the "latest news" in regard to the Federal Reserve Bank Fraud, anyone who read "The Creature From Jekyl Island" has known about it for quite sometime.

However this information does come as a shock to those who have recently learned about it, given the trillions of dollars that the Federal Reserve has stolen from the American people since 1913.

[ BH: So what? Why trot this out, it is completely irrelevant.]

And Ms. Hartwell also expresses disapproval of Barack Obama for President. He could hardly do worse that the Nazi sympathizer that we have in there now, or Hillary Clinton, who has done nothing for New Yorkers since getting elected 6 years ago.

I recently wrote that I am supporting Texas Congressman Ron Paul, however Ms. Hartwell did not bother to mention that. I should also state that I seriously doubt that Ron Paul will ever get elected, simply because he stands for meaningful change in this country; something that most of Congress is vehemently against.

[BH: I simply stated in my report that Mr. Marino was vociferously endorsing Barack Obama. And that this was one reason I did NOT endorse his website. I won't argue politics with Marino, that is NOT the issue. I don't care what Mr. Marino's bleeding heart liberal beliefs are, nor do I care who he endorses or supports, including Barack Obama, Ron Paul, or the Man in the Moon. Doesn't he get it?]

Heaven forbid any American attempting to criticize the status quo in this country without risking the US Government's PitBull Agencies FBI, DHS and CIA attacking them.

As for taking this situation any further than this post, I have no intention to. Ms.Hartwell is already far too busy fighting with the likes of numerous others who continue to post negative statements in regard to her. I will not join these people in demonizing Ms. Hartwell because I don't believe that she deserves that; however I no longer support her or her Website. There are far too many people on the Internet carrying on these flaming wars and such attacks are simply not worth the time.

[BH: Mr. Marino, you truly are a presumptuous fool.

Marino has NO IDEA what I am "busy" doing. It certainly isn't "fighting" with any of the people he mentions. I have no contact with them at all, nor do I engage in arguments, discussions, or debates with them. I have simply EXPOSED them in my reports. Period. As for joining these other fools and liars in demonizing Barbara Hartwell, he already has.

But at least it's a relief to know he no longer supports me or my website. With "supporters" like Marino, who needs enemies?

Barbara Hartwell
August 12, 2007]


As for the information that I have posted on my Website in regard to the "mind control" and illegal spying by the NSA that I have experienced for decades, as well as the FEDS' attacks on myself and my Family, I stand by everything that I have written in regard to such attacks as this information is the absolute truth. And this also includes the FEDS' demonization campaign which they have been waging against me for the past four years (and is getting worse by the day). They simply don't want the truth about the outrageous crimes that they have perpetrated against us being publicized on a large scale. And one day they will pay dearly for the damage that they have caused my beloved Family and self. This I promise them.

As for Geral W. Sosbee, I still agree with his work regarding the dissolution of the FBI and CIA, however I would prefer that he remove any references to my Website including the banner on his main page. I have removed most references to Geral (with the exception of a letter that I wrote to the ACLU in regard to my harassment in which I mentioned his name as well as Barbara Hartwell's in efforts to illustrate the complete absence of justice in this country for those who are attacked by agencies of the US Intelligence Community). I will continue to do so as I find them.

Respectfully,

Jim Marino

ORIGINAL POST BY JAMES MARINO TO WHICH GERAL SOSBEE RESPONDED

Unfortunate Turn Of Events

To Whom It May Concern:

In the past I have given a great deal of moral support to bothGeral W. Sosbee and Barbara Hartwell -- two former US Intelligence operatives who became whistle blowers when they saw crimes being committed within their respective agencies.

I have also given Geral Sosbee $750 to maintain his Website; Geral himself has acknowledged that I am the only person to have ever given him any monies in efforts to help him promulgate his information.

Moreover, I have never once been anything but kind and supportive of both of these people in efforts to understand their predicaments while they (by their own accounts) have been treated viciously by so many others.

Hence it is all the more disturbing that Barbara Hartwell would attempt to undermine my work. And this is indicative of what I have been reading about her on myriad other Websites. I am not going to waste any time getting into a war of words with this person. At her request I have removed as many references to her as I have found and will continue to remove any others that I find. I respectfully ask that she do the same in regard to her latest post.

There are far too many people on the Internet carrying on these flaming wars and such attacks are simply not worth the time. As for the information that I have posted on my Website in regard to the "mind control" and illegal spying by the NSA that I have experienced for decades, as well as the FEDS' attacks on myself and my Family, I stand by everything that I have written in regard to such attacks as this information is the absolute truth. And this also includes the FEDS' demonization campaign which they have been waging against me for the past four years. They simply don't want the truth about the outrageous crimes that they have perpetrated against us being publicized on a large scale.

As for Geral W. Sosbee, I still support his work. However, I would also ask that he remove any references to my Website including the banner on his main page.

Respectfully,

Jim Marino